In any discussion or debate there must be a baseline of communication. There must be a common language. Of course the participants must speak the same actual language or have adequate interpretation to be fundamentally understood. we can take that as a given; that in order for two speakers to be understandable they must know at the coarsest, minimal level that they are able to simply identify each others’ words and to make sense of the grammar and the syntax.
So, therefore we have our first baseline at its most basic–either a shared language of nationality, or, barring that, adequate interpretation. Beyond that it gets considerably more sticky.
Nouns are the easiest and provide the most common shared language. We all know that a dog is a dog and not a cat and that a tree is not a horse. Verbs are more problematic and often require explanation. “To run” may mean a mode of locomotion for a human or an animal, or it may be used to describe the motion of a liquid. It may even be used to describe the action of an individual competing for political office.
Once we get beyond any differences there, we are ready to begin discussing the most difficult task of establishing baseline communication; differentiating and defining concepts and principles.
We get into our largest difficulties when we assume that others are operating under the same definitions that we hold on abstract topics. Religion and politics are the two biggest offenders in this category. It is primarily because the concepts in these two fields are so abstract and because personal sentiments run so high on the extremes of both topics, that we need to carefully lay down a baseline of definitions.
Atheism and Fundamentalism, Democracy and Communism, Islamic and Christian, Socialism and Capitalism are all diametrically opposed concepts in politics and religion. for each concept there are adherents. There are Atheists, Fundamentalists, Democrats, and Communists. The world is full of Muslims, Christians, Socialists and Capitalists. Each of these concepts (ideologies, beliefs, etc) is heavy with definitions. Even among adherents within the same group there may likely be widely varying opinions of what it means to be an adherent of the group.
Very few people see their beliefs as absolute. Of course there are a few proud extreme fundamentalists as well as radical atheists. But they are a very small minority. The reason why it appears that there are so many of the extreme or “fringe element” is because they are usually the loudest, most bothersome, and sometimes most willing to use violence to get their point across.
If you know you are going to debate someone who is prone to making their point violently, you should go armed. If they pull a Glock you don’t want to get caught with notepad, pen and a stack of index cards.
What makes these concepts so hard to define is that their defenders invest so much faith in their definitions that they are unwilling tp compromise even a little and even for the sake of discussion or debate. This is truly a shame, albeit understandable. It’s a shame because when debaters can’t agree on definitions, when a baseline of communication can’t be established, then all reasonable debate either never gets a chance to begin, or it comes to a screeching halt. Discussion become a Shouting Match that dissolves into nay-saying.
In international diplomacy we find poor communication at its most dangerous. A tense situation becomes tenser. Intransigence becomes entrenched. Animosity grows and in the end, war may ensue which, after all, is but diplomacy by other means. In that case the debate may hinge upon Might determining Right. But, at what human cost?
We find the problem with coming to agreement on definitions at its most intractable when discussing religion. With religion we have concepts so abstract as to defy definition even among believers. We deal with super nature which, by definition, has no rational, scientific method of discourse available. The only answer available to “What is your proof of the existence of God?” is “Because He told me so.” This answer stops “rational” discourse cold simply because it is not rational. The scientific method cannot be applied and no empirical evidence is available. Fundamental knowledge thereafter becomes “revelatory.”
Less subject to disagreement on baselines is political discourse. Here we are dealing with the pseudo-science of political and social science and associated “co” fields (anthropology, economics, et. al. ) Here definitions are previously well defined and commonly accepted. The problems here, though, begin when normative values are assigned to major theories of government. What is the best method of micro or macro rule? What is the best system of economics? These questions are fundamentally unanswerable until the unidirectional nature of history makes it apparent by making one form universally dominant over the others.
Once we have defined all the terms that are definable, once we have agreed upon the basic language of discourse, then we can be satisfied that we have established an adequate baseline of xommunication and the debate proper may begin. With this baseline in place and the rules of play inscribed we are free to argue the fine points of our issues such as, What role does the supernatural play in the lives of humans?” and “Is history truly unidirectional?”
That’s all I have for now.
and we thank you for your support.
Cornelius E. Spots
not really
Posted by Gryphon on February 12, 2009
To state a simple dichotomy as though it is a great revelation does not make it profound. It means that you know how to speak bullshit.
“The wise man, grasshopper, is the one who is not the fool.”
“To be frugal is to value value.”
Yeah? So?
It’s very poor rhetoric and not worth the attention. Smile at the fake guru and keep on moving.
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